crossover write up thing
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hakkarigod i can't believe i wrote all this but remember that time i mentioned a proper crossover that i had in my head?
well here goes. prepare to be bored to shit.
PLOT:
Assume non-canon for both series (obviously).
In Nocturne there's a thing called the Conception, which is a thing that ends the world in order to form a new one based on the strongest Reason. Reasons are created by humans (and only humans) in order to form their own perfect version of the world (in Nocturne you have one character who wants only the strong to survive, another that wants a world of stillness and blind obedience, and another that wants a world where people are put into their own individual bubble away from everyone, etc.).
The Conception happens on every world within the Amala Universe, which is basically just the entire universe and different worlds. For the sake of this, all of the worlds within SMT and FE are part of this Universe (and all of the FE games take place on the same world just at different time periods). The FE world is about to run out of energy and thus begin the ritual for Conception to take place (which is a large scale sacrifice/massacre).
The twist? The FE world is connected to the SMT world through the Outrealm Gates. Dunno how or if it's ever explained beyond ~Outrealms Fuckery~ but yeah. Lucifer ends up seeing this new world that's about to erupt and decides to go manipulate some of the FE villains in order to perhaps create a world where Chaos reigns. YHVH follows in order to manipulate it into one of Law.
Through aforementioned ~Outrealms Fuckery~ the FE lords end up in modern day Tokyo, most of them paired off with one Gauntlet or Demon Summoning Program to go with each pair/trio. They manage to create a link back to the FE world, which has started basically falling apart timeline wise due to Conception/Lucifer fuckery, which basically means that every timeline is kind of colliding into every other one.
Honestly I just needed to contrive a way for all of the villains and heroes to be in one place in the FE world. There's probably a more elegant solution but fuck it, ~Outrealms Fuckery~ because it's a noncanon crossover where Ike punches Lucifer in the face.
Meanwhile, the SMT heroes slowly start appearing in the FE world. Most of them start seeing signs of "oh fuck, this world is going to go to shit" due to the fact that most of them have kind of experienced it first hand. None of them know about the Conception or what causes it until the Demi-fiend shows up later as your Chaos lord, but they all figure out that if they want any chance of getting home (or even fixing the Great Cataclysm that caused their own home to get fucked up), they need to save the FE world.
From there it switches perspectives back and forth, with the FE lords trying to figure out a way to get back home or even save their world from Tokyo (while battling demons and bosses that are leaking through from the embattled FE world), and the SMT heroes trying to get home by saving the FE world.
Depending on choices made throughout the game, the player can reform the FE world in the vision of Law or Chaos, return the world to how it was before (with timelines returned to normal), or potentially permanently destroy it.
CHARACTERS:
Lord Pairs/Trios: Marth&Caeda (Marth has the summoning program, Caeda is given magic to compensate for being the Heroine), Alm&Celica (Alm has the COMP), Sigurd&Chrom (Chrom has the COMP - can also summon FE4 first gen), Seliph&Lucina (Lucina has the COMP - Seliph plays the role of swordmaster + gets magic to compensate - Lucina can summon FE13 second gen and FE4 second gen + substitute kids), Leif&Nanna, Roy&Lilina, Eliwood&Hector&Lyn (Eliwood has COMP), Eirika&Ephraim, Ike&Micaiah
Supporting: Lissa and Frederick would most likely be the most interacted with, as Lissa would be the acting Exalt since Lucina and Chrom are missing and I didn't want to give Luci a canon mom. You'd also probably get to work with Lewyn, Oifey, Finn, Ethlyn, Quan, Eyvel, Soren, Titania, Sothe, etc. at some point.
Various SMT characters from throughout the series + spinoffs show up in Tokyo to help out (because this is a crossover and fuck it - honestly it would make the most sense to take place in Persona's universe since that one isn't destroyed lmao)
SMT Lords:
Kazuya (SMT I protag) - Neutral Lord that never leaves your party.
Aleph (SMT II protag) - Law Lord that leaves if you go Neutral or Chaos unless supported by the other lords (honestly I feel bad shoving Aleph into the Law slot but someone needs to be and SMT II is thematically Law based).
Demi-Fiend (Nocturne protag) - Chaos Lord that leaves if you go Neutral or Law unless supported by the other lords. Would function like a laguz with powerful stats while transformed, but returns to a human form after a few turns due to being out of the Vortex World.
Flynn (SMT IV protag) - Neutral Lord that never leaves your party. Myrmidon lord.
Other characters include protags from Persona, such as Maya who starts as a Cleric and uses her Persona to heal, and Tatsuya who is a Cavalier who rams into people with his motorcycle. The other spinoff characters show up as well (Raidou could be a Summoner, Serph functions as a manakete maybe? idk), etc etc.
ALIGNMENT:
Alignment works a lot like in SMT I, II, and IV. Depending on answers and choices made you lean towards Law, Chaos, or stay Neutral. The various characters also have alignments, with some of the lords leaving the party to fight on the other side if you go one way, etc.
For example, Micaiah might find the idea of the Chaos world - a world where everyone starts off on equal footing - appealing vs. the idea of returning Tellius to 100% the way it was, what with all the racism and etc. Lucina might find the idea of a Law world where there's no war (even if it's at the expense of some freedoms) somewhat appealing, at least more so than the constant war and destruction that she witnessed.
On the SMT side, Aleph would leave your party if you went Chaos or even Neutral (unless you supported him with certain characters), and the Demi-Fiend would leave if you were Law or Neutral (again, unless you supported him with certain characters). Chaos and Law Hero would follow that same rule, etc etc.
GAMEPLAY:
Honestly I'm not a game designer and I know that the idea of bouncing gameplay styles back and forth is unrealistic just from that standpoint, but fuck it this is never happening anyway so yeah. To be fair to Genei I think the gameplay is actually solid and has a decent mix of elements even if it's tilted towards the usual Atlus RPG style.
This post has a really neat idea but the text is lime green so I'll just paste it here.
Anyway, dream gameplay for me would be bouncing between styles, with the FE lords side playing like a traditional SMT game and the SMT side playing like an FE game. In the SMT side, FE party members act as demons and will attack the player initially, as the link between world is too weak to discern friend or foe (and with demons attacking it's best to just assume enemy unless otherwise stated).
The FE lords get to recruit the characters through "strengthening the link to their world" by giving money, items, and choosing proper dialogue choices that make the character realize that you're actually a friend. Due to it being a link and not the actual physical character, it's possible to run into the same character multiple times even if they've been defeated. Links in your party can be revived and fused like normal SMT gameplay.
Fusion is just combining links in order to form a stronger one to summon a stronger character (for instance, fusing Lissa with Ethlyn might give you a promoted Maribelle), but the original links can be resummoned or renegotiated with.
SMT side plays like an FE game just with SMT characters so yeah not going to go into super details there.
OTHER STUFF:
SMT side gets supports because dammit most of these guys are silent protags and it would be nice to see them actually given some personality since of all the protags i think... Nakajima, Tatsuya, and Maya are the only ones with actual canonical personalities? Even if it's silly it would be kinda fun.
Obviously the FE skills would basically just be changed to be thematically related to the SMT characters. Just off the top of my head, the Digital Devil Saga characters could get a version of Galeforce called Devour, where they eat their enemies and then get a rush of energy and can go again, etc etc.
Honestly if Nintendo isn't okay with Nintendo characters interacting with Lucifer, Satan, etc. you could just as easily slot Ashera, Grima/Loptyr, Medeus, etc in for the different characters. Though why they'd even make a SMT crossover if that wasn't going to fly is beyond me.
I don't know how but somehow i'm going to fit this musical number in
idk that's it and i'm dumb and should go to bed
well here goes. prepare to be bored to shit.
PLOT:
Assume non-canon for both series (obviously).
In Nocturne there's a thing called the Conception, which is a thing that ends the world in order to form a new one based on the strongest Reason. Reasons are created by humans (and only humans) in order to form their own perfect version of the world (in Nocturne you have one character who wants only the strong to survive, another that wants a world of stillness and blind obedience, and another that wants a world where people are put into their own individual bubble away from everyone, etc.).
The Conception happens on every world within the Amala Universe, which is basically just the entire universe and different worlds. For the sake of this, all of the worlds within SMT and FE are part of this Universe (and all of the FE games take place on the same world just at different time periods). The FE world is about to run out of energy and thus begin the ritual for Conception to take place (which is a large scale sacrifice/massacre).
The twist? The FE world is connected to the SMT world through the Outrealm Gates. Dunno how or if it's ever explained beyond ~Outrealms Fuckery~ but yeah. Lucifer ends up seeing this new world that's about to erupt and decides to go manipulate some of the FE villains in order to perhaps create a world where Chaos reigns. YHVH follows in order to manipulate it into one of Law.
Through aforementioned ~Outrealms Fuckery~ the FE lords end up in modern day Tokyo, most of them paired off with one Gauntlet or Demon Summoning Program to go with each pair/trio. They manage to create a link back to the FE world, which has started basically falling apart timeline wise due to Conception/Lucifer fuckery, which basically means that every timeline is kind of colliding into every other one.
Honestly I just needed to contrive a way for all of the villains and heroes to be in one place in the FE world. There's probably a more elegant solution but fuck it, ~Outrealms Fuckery~ because it's a noncanon crossover where Ike punches Lucifer in the face.
Meanwhile, the SMT heroes slowly start appearing in the FE world. Most of them start seeing signs of "oh fuck, this world is going to go to shit" due to the fact that most of them have kind of experienced it first hand. None of them know about the Conception or what causes it until the Demi-fiend shows up later as your Chaos lord, but they all figure out that if they want any chance of getting home (or even fixing the Great Cataclysm that caused their own home to get fucked up), they need to save the FE world.
From there it switches perspectives back and forth, with the FE lords trying to figure out a way to get back home or even save their world from Tokyo (while battling demons and bosses that are leaking through from the embattled FE world), and the SMT heroes trying to get home by saving the FE world.
Depending on choices made throughout the game, the player can reform the FE world in the vision of Law or Chaos, return the world to how it was before (with timelines returned to normal), or potentially permanently destroy it.
CHARACTERS:
Lord Pairs/Trios: Marth&Caeda (Marth has the summoning program, Caeda is given magic to compensate for being the Heroine), Alm&Celica (Alm has the COMP), Sigurd&Chrom (Chrom has the COMP - can also summon FE4 first gen), Seliph&Lucina (Lucina has the COMP - Seliph plays the role of swordmaster + gets magic to compensate - Lucina can summon FE13 second gen and FE4 second gen + substitute kids), Leif&Nanna, Roy&Lilina, Eliwood&Hector&Lyn (Eliwood has COMP), Eirika&Ephraim, Ike&Micaiah
Supporting: Lissa and Frederick would most likely be the most interacted with, as Lissa would be the acting Exalt since Lucina and Chrom are missing and I didn't want to give Luci a canon mom. You'd also probably get to work with Lewyn, Oifey, Finn, Ethlyn, Quan, Eyvel, Soren, Titania, Sothe, etc. at some point.
Various SMT characters from throughout the series + spinoffs show up in Tokyo to help out (because this is a crossover and fuck it - honestly it would make the most sense to take place in Persona's universe since that one isn't destroyed lmao)
SMT Lords:
Kazuya (SMT I protag) - Neutral Lord that never leaves your party.
Aleph (SMT II protag) - Law Lord that leaves if you go Neutral or Chaos unless supported by the other lords (honestly I feel bad shoving Aleph into the Law slot but someone needs to be and SMT II is thematically Law based).
Demi-Fiend (Nocturne protag) - Chaos Lord that leaves if you go Neutral or Law unless supported by the other lords. Would function like a laguz with powerful stats while transformed, but returns to a human form after a few turns due to being out of the Vortex World.
Flynn (SMT IV protag) - Neutral Lord that never leaves your party. Myrmidon lord.
Other characters include protags from Persona, such as Maya who starts as a Cleric and uses her Persona to heal, and Tatsuya who is a Cavalier who rams into people with his motorcycle. The other spinoff characters show up as well (Raidou could be a Summoner, Serph functions as a manakete maybe? idk), etc etc.
ALIGNMENT:
Alignment works a lot like in SMT I, II, and IV. Depending on answers and choices made you lean towards Law, Chaos, or stay Neutral. The various characters also have alignments, with some of the lords leaving the party to fight on the other side if you go one way, etc.
For example, Micaiah might find the idea of the Chaos world - a world where everyone starts off on equal footing - appealing vs. the idea of returning Tellius to 100% the way it was, what with all the racism and etc. Lucina might find the idea of a Law world where there's no war (even if it's at the expense of some freedoms) somewhat appealing, at least more so than the constant war and destruction that she witnessed.
On the SMT side, Aleph would leave your party if you went Chaos or even Neutral (unless you supported him with certain characters), and the Demi-Fiend would leave if you were Law or Neutral (again, unless you supported him with certain characters). Chaos and Law Hero would follow that same rule, etc etc.
GAMEPLAY:
Honestly I'm not a game designer and I know that the idea of bouncing gameplay styles back and forth is unrealistic just from that standpoint, but fuck it this is never happening anyway so yeah. To be fair to Genei I think the gameplay is actually solid and has a decent mix of elements even if it's tilted towards the usual Atlus RPG style.
This post has a really neat idea but the text is lime green so I'll just paste it here.
So you’ve got two big Japanese RPG franchises, one with a tactical emphasis, and the other has a post-apocalyptic style to it. Assuming the game goes the non-canon route (and why not), there’s no reason why both series should have massive representation in terms of characters from the game chronologies. Both series allow you to pick and choose your main team in combat, so the player should be able to freely swap human and demon characters freely in their team.
Combat would use SMT’s basis of Press Turn, which would work nicely with FE’s emphasis on tactics in battle. Teams would be much larger, similar to FE in this regard, and would allow the player to split up units in battle, as a tradeoff between higher combat strength and mobility/agility. FE’s large range of weapons, both physical and magical, could be easily integrated into the combat style, and would improve the fairly limited range of physical playstyles SMT currently allows. Demons can be negotiated to and recruited, but would have the disadvantage of FE’s permadeath feature. If casual players didn’t like this part, Charon from SMT IV could have a word with them…
FE’s support feature could be integrated with SMT’s alignments, so characters and demons who share the same alignment would gain combat bonuses, etc
Anyway, dream gameplay for me would be bouncing between styles, with the FE lords side playing like a traditional SMT game and the SMT side playing like an FE game. In the SMT side, FE party members act as demons and will attack the player initially, as the link between world is too weak to discern friend or foe (and with demons attacking it's best to just assume enemy unless otherwise stated).
The FE lords get to recruit the characters through "strengthening the link to their world" by giving money, items, and choosing proper dialogue choices that make the character realize that you're actually a friend. Due to it being a link and not the actual physical character, it's possible to run into the same character multiple times even if they've been defeated. Links in your party can be revived and fused like normal SMT gameplay.
Fusion is just combining links in order to form a stronger one to summon a stronger character (for instance, fusing Lissa with Ethlyn might give you a promoted Maribelle), but the original links can be resummoned or renegotiated with.
SMT side plays like an FE game just with SMT characters so yeah not going to go into super details there.
OTHER STUFF:
SMT side gets supports because dammit most of these guys are silent protags and it would be nice to see them actually given some personality since of all the protags i think... Nakajima, Tatsuya, and Maya are the only ones with actual canonical personalities? Even if it's silly it would be kinda fun.
Obviously the FE skills would basically just be changed to be thematically related to the SMT characters. Just off the top of my head, the Digital Devil Saga characters could get a version of Galeforce called Devour, where they eat their enemies and then get a rush of energy and can go again, etc etc.
Honestly if Nintendo isn't okay with Nintendo characters interacting with Lucifer, Satan, etc. you could just as easily slot Ashera, Grima/Loptyr, Medeus, etc in for the different characters. Though why they'd even make a SMT crossover if that wasn't going to fly is beyond me.
I don't know how but somehow i'm going to fit this musical number in
idk that's it and i'm dumb and should go to bed
